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Why we need MDMA for First Responders

Police Officer Sarko Gergerian joins us to discuss the challenges first responders face with PTSD and the treatment options he is fighting for.

Dear friends and neighbors,

My interview with  Police Officer Sarko Gergerian was illuminating for many reasons.  It was comforting to hear that police departments are offering counseling to officers who have witnessed horrendous events, and it was encouraging to discover that police were considering using MDMA and other psychedelics for treatment for PTSD and depression. I came away with more compassion and empathy for the personal lives of first responders, and hope you will too.

Please watch, read, or listen to the interview, and let me know what you think in the comments.

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Listen now (54 min) | Our guest, Police Lieutenant Sarko Gergerian of the Winthrop Massachusetts Police Department, is fighting for change. Change in policy, change in the way drugs are classified, and a change in the way officers can reach out for help. He dreams of a day when first responders have access to the mental health care they need and the War on Drugs is over. Sar…
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The first working police officer in the United States to earn the certified addiction recovery coach credential—Police Lieutenant Sarko Gergerian

Dr. Richard Louis Miller: Today, on Mind Body Health & Politics, it's my privilege to be interviewing Sarko Gergerian. He is the first working police officer in the United States to earn the certified addiction recovery coach credential from the commonwealth of Massachusetts. 

He also has a lot of other credentials, so many that we're going to begin the interview by asking him to tell us about some of them. Welcome to Mind Body Health & Politics, Sarko.

Sarko Gergerian: Thank you so much, Dr. Miller. It's my pleasure to be here.

Dr. Richard Louis Miller: As I said in the brief introduction, you've got a lot of credentials. Tell us about some of the other things that you're certified in. I know you're certified with MAPS—the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies—which was founded by my dear friend, Rick Doblin. Give us a summary of some of your credentials.

Sarko Gergerian: I always start off by saying that I have the privilege to work in my community as a police lieutenant by day. Nights and weekends, I work as a psychotherapist, primarily with adults. 

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