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More Research Needed for Psilocybin

It is clear that psilocybin holds a great deal of potential in the treatment of depression, what is also clear? More research is needed.

Dear friends and neighbors,

For those interested in psilocybin this interview is a must-listen. Andrew Penn, MS, PMHNP speaks on the clinical research regarding psilocybin as a treatment for depression. In my recent interviews, I have learned a lot about the psychedelic studies occurring across the United States. This interview brings an up-to-date perspective on the good work being done. Andrew points out that the reason research is being done all over the country simultaneously is to tease out to what effect the researchers themselves are affecting the treatment and to what extent the psilocybin is contributing, allowing us to learn the true healing potential.

A topic I speak on regularly on this show is the respect we must give these substances. Proper professional treatment is imperative. Andrew, thankfully, informs us that psilocybin will not be a take-home medicine for a DIY exercise, and speaks to the precautions that must be taken. There are also caveats – not everyone is a suitable candidate for psychedelic psychotherapy and careful vetting of each person is required. This is must needed research to further support our psychedelic renaissance, and I encourage you to listen and learn all about it.

Please watch, read, or listen to the interview, and let me know what you think in the comments.

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Listen now (63 min) | Our guest, Andrew Penn, is a prominent researcher at the University of California-San Francisco, and he brings us up-to-date information on the clinical research happenings with psychedelic medicine. Andrew’s insights on the research being conducted, the risks and benefits of psilocybin and MDMA, and his first-hand experience as a psychedelic nurse crea…
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Welcome to Mind Body Health & Politics. I'm your host, Dr. Richard Louis Miller. The mission of Mind Body Health & Politics is to enhance physical and emotional wellbeing and encourage community. I say “encourage community” because I believe that human beings are basically friendly tribal animals. When we know each other by name, or at least by face, we tend to be quite collaborative and cooperative. 

However, we must also acknowledge that a very small percentage of us are greedy, avaricious, dangerous predators. If these people are allowed to take control of the rest of us—and the rest of us is over 95%—they would have us once again be subjects rather than citizens. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

Our guest today on Mind Body Health & Politics is Andrew Penn, a psychiatric nurse with the University of California in San Francisco. Welcome, Andrew.

Andrew Penn: Thanks for having me, Richard. 

What’s going on at UCSF in the area of psychedelic research

Dr. Richard Louis Miller: Today, we want to talk about your work at UCSF, particularly in the area of psychedelic research and the use of psychedelics in treatment. Let's start out with the research. Please share with us what's going on at UCSF that you're involved with.

Andrew Penn: I trained as a psychiatric nurse practitioner at UCSF and I'm currently a clinical professor in the same program that I trained in. 

Part of my role in that faculty appointment is that I work with the Translational Research Program in Psychedelics—the TrPR Lab—which is run by Dr. Josh Woolley. We have been part of a number of different research projects. We worked on the MDMA-assisted therapy protocol for PTSD. It was sponsored by MAPS. 

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